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![]() Thoughts on how triathlon should be run at the Games Posted on: Thursday 21st August 2008 Bookmark This | Print This Page | Send To A Friend | Post A Comment The Olympic Triathlon (as opposed to the ordinary sort and definitely as opposed to the Ironman sort - despite the BBC's crass use of Black Sabbath's Iron Man as backing music, did they not realise how dumb that was?) is a swim followed by a mass bike ride with the occasional 'moment of glory' followed by a 10k run. In Beijing which, by all the previous test event indications had a tough bike and run section, we saw the winning group come from deep within the protective folds of the peloton to surge away on the run. That they caught the two athletes who were a minute ahead within a lap indicates just how much better rested they were. Arguably the only athlete to consistently put in effort through the race was Al Brownlee who at least had the courage to work at the front on the bike and for the first couple of laps of the run before his efforts exceeded his reserves of energy. The reason for this draft-legal procession on the bike has always been justified on the basis that it makes things more television and spectator friendly. The fact that it has mutated the sport to produce winners who are good at hiding from doing the work on the swim and the bike appears to have been somewhat lost in the process. The fact that the first person across the line might be the smartest tactician isn't, somehow, in keeping with the 'fastest, highest, strongest' ideal. The real question is: is there an alternative format? In my opinion there definitely is and I'd like to float this as a proposal to be chewed at by the masses. Consider the drama that has been unfolding on two wheels elsewhere at the Olympics; both on the road and on the track. Here there are elements of tactics but there is also that purer measure of pure speed: and you certainly have to agree that it has made for some very exciting television over the past couple of weeks. Is it possible that we can learn something from this? Given that, in it's purest form, a triathlon is a test of one person's ability to swim, bike and run faster than anyone else (not forgetting the essential transitions) let's just examine how that could work in reality. After all, they do cycle time trials with far bigger fields than the 55 men and 55 women we are allowed for triathlon. Let's leave the whole qualification process completely alone. Countries send up to six athletes to a series of World Cup events and these earn them points which determine their position in the world rankings. Countries can earn up to a maximum of three places for each race on a basis of these rankings and the NGBs in those countries run their own selection races to determine their best-suited athletes. These may not even be the athletes who earned the points... ...it's not like that doesn't already happen! So, come competition day, what happens at the Games? The field race in a pure time trial format with the lowest ranked athletes going first up to the highest ranked who goes last. Athletes go at two minute intervals (this possibly needs to be tweaked a bit based on some better statistics but it's a pretty good starting point.) They swim, transition, bike, transition and run against the clock. The fastest overall wins. And, just to add a little extra frisson of excitement, if an athlete gets caught by their pursuer - your 'two minute man' in cycling parlance - then it's game over. It's here that the time intervals will probably need to be tweaked a little depending on the men's and women's data that can be gathered from the two seasons of qualifying times but a quick look at the fastest to slowest time differentials indicates that somewhere near to this time will be about right. What does the new competition give us that the current one doesn't? Well, it should provide just as television-friendly a spectacle with constant time split updates and a constantly changing leaderboard. Being run on a looped course means that there will be a continual stream of athletes for the spectators to watch rather than a blur every few tens of minutes and then nothing at all. Nobody else is going to be using the venue so the extended time span - the event will run around four hours instead of two - shouldn't be an issue and for the broadcasters the availability of multi-channel TV means that it can still all be covered live with the top seeds getting premium channel coverage. For the athletes it means that there's no hiding place, no safety in the pack, no 'team tactics' to get a good runner into position for an assault on the title. Triathlon isn't a team sport - if it was that would be a completely different story - and it shouldn't be possible to mutate the rules in the way that some countries choose to do. This time trial event would be a pure test of endurance and speed across all four disciplines. Push too hard, too early and you'll regret it but leave it too late and the risk of getting eliminated rears its head. So, come on - have a go at the idea. See if you can think of anything better. Because, after the last three Games I'm not sure that triathlon is showing the world anything that special other than the last 5k of a 10k run by some fatigued athletes. And, as the toughest sport in the Games bar none, we really ought to be doing better than that. ![]() 13 comments | Post a comment Re: Thoughts on how triathlon should be run at the Games Posted by DodgePosted at 04:21:04 6th Sep 2010 Reply to this It is getting a bit daft - the womens race was a joke. The men's race was better but still not what we age-groupers would like to see. It should either be a straight time trial at 1 min intervals with no drafting, if you get caught you just have to drop 7m behind the person who passed you or something a bit different: still a time trial at min intervals but for the bike and run the even numbers go one way around the course and odd numbers go the other way around - certainly on the run there would be some great eyeballing etc, it may take a while for both competitors and spectators to work out who was in front but that's were it would be interesting - they would all pretty much have to run right to the line everytime! Is that too daft? Re: Thoughts on how triathlon should be run at the Games Posted by ttcPosted at 04:21:04 6th Sep 2010 Reply to this Could write an epic here but in short, absoutly agree. The way I learned triathlon was via the time trial format. Even age group racing nowadays is so full of drafting that you can hide once out of the swim and gain valuble recovery time before the run. Bring back the real format in elite racing. Re: Thoughts on how triathlon should be run at the Games Posted by RedeyePosted at 04:21:04 6th Sep 2010 Reply to this Yes, totally agree that the current Elite format isn't doing either the sport or the athletes any real favours. The time trial format would be a vast improvement. I think the only problem is that it doesn't make it very exciting for the spectators at the event. Great on TV, but not great to watch if you're there 'cos you've got no idea what's going on - ever watched a TDF time trial stage in person? No idea what's going on unless you listen to race radio. I'd love to things tried to even things out a bit in Elite events. How about : 1. Change the distances to 2k swim, 20k bike and 10k run so the amount of time spent on each discipline is roughly the same. Might not work, but it'd reduce the benefit of hiding on the bike and might give the strong swimmers a chance of getting away which would make the race a lot more interesting. 2. Change the order to bike, swim, run. Less practical but would vastly reduce the benefit of drafting on the bike which is the main problem. Could be even more interesting with distances changed to the same as above. The more I think about it, the more I like this idea. It'd give decent swimmers a chance they don't have at the moment and it'd make transitions even more important which would be good for both spectators and competitors. It would just be nice to find a format where the strongest athlete wins. At the moment it seems like it's just the best runner because the bike is an almost neutral zone where nothing happens and because of that nothing happens on the swim either. It's not even tactical, it just stops it being a race until the run. Re: Thoughts on how triathlon should be run at the Games Posted by ajakemanPosted at 04:21:04 6th Sep 2010 Reply to this So the question is, do we want triathlon to be a race or a time trial? A time trial in which you can't use ANY tactics because you don't know where anyone else is. Races can really push people to their limits a lot more easily than a time trial can when the race gets tight near the end. Having said that, it does seem that the bike section is just neutral playing ground. I liked redeyes idea. Increase the length of the swim which may split the group up more A response from Alan Ingarfield Posted by EditorPosted at 04:21:04 6th Sep 2010 Reply to this Hi Henry, I tried to post a comment on the Tri247 site but had probs doing so. Anyway here goes (can you cut and paste and add to comments please). I agree with you Henry that something needs to change with the Elite drafting event. The men's race at the Olympics was more interesting than the women's (No disrespect meant to any of the medal winners), however the men’s race highlighted very clearly that going off the front of the bunch (especially in hot conditions) is not the best tactic if you want to win the race, Alistair Brownlee showed real courage and certainly added to the excitement of the event, however going off the front on the bike as he did and covering every move on the run (until the final few km’s) took it’s toll on Ali, although I'm sure we would all agree that his efforts were heroic and great to watch (especially as he’s only 20!). I certainly am not that interested in watching a race where everyone sits in on the bike and waits for the run (We can watch the 10,000 metres instead).. I do not have the answer, however your suggestion of conducting the race as a Time Trial seems to make sense as the bike section becomes important again as it used to be before Sydney. (I think Spencer Smith and Simon Lessing would agree).I also think that the World Champs each year should be carried out throughout the season and not just at one event (if we are going to stick to the current format), we could follow the format of F1 racing and gain points throughout the year, in addition to this I think the events should have more variety throughout the year and some of the bike and run courses should be much more challenging and some completely flat so at the end of the season we find the ultimate all round athlete that has been tested in all conditions and environments (lets tweak the distances at some events as well e.g one race a longer swim, one race a longer bike etc). I watched the World Cup race race from Kitzbuel in Austria and was looking forward to an interesting race as I anticipated some serious climbs (considering the venue) that would break up the field on the bike section (the run could have been on an interesting course also!) unfortunately the race organisers chose probably the flattest course they could find..If we look at the TDF or events like the Roth Ironman the largest crowds are on the biggest climbs as it is on these sections of the course where we can see up close the effort involved (you get to see the athletes for longer also) and also where a lot of the action can take place i.e riders being blown out the back or jumping off the front (even if the Elite event doesn't revert to Non-drafting/TT surely some of the bike courses need to be much harder). I'm sure that if enough of us get our brains around this we could come up with a better format than what is currently on offer.. Alan Ingarfield Re: Thoughts on how triathlon should be run at the Games Posted by jonallen29Posted at 04:21:04 6th Sep 2010 Reply to this I think that all of the comments listed have their place, but why not either drop the drafting rule and have the athletes race the current distance with the drafting penalties applied or make it a team event, 3 athletes per country, the team with the lowest accumulative time would therefore become winners. Re: Thoughts on how triathlon should be run at the Games Posted by whatifPosted at 04:21:04 6th Sep 2010 Reply to this Yes, a change has been long overdue. The day the elite racing changed to the drafting format effectively changed the whole format of the sport. And yes there were challenges with the non-drafting elite races, but pound for pound they were far more exciting and produced, at least in my opinion, athletes who have become the legends of triathlon. I recall really exciting elite races where athletes tore fields apart and tried to hang on (like Mike Pigg and to some extent Craig walton, Donna Peter's, Garrett McCarthy hanging on at Muskoka worlds), where guys dominated from the start to finish on bloody tough courses (Spencer at Wellington for example, Simon at numerous races, unless they were head to head!) and where athletes came from behind to run through.....Greg Welch, Brad Bevan, Karen Smyers etc. Today's racing is almost sterile. There is little point for the spectator in in watching until the last 5k or so of the run. With the huge legal bunch processions on the bike its very easy for top athletes to hide. At least with the old style you could see who was busitng a nut and there was more space between riders. Yes drafting was a problem and draft-busting became a pain to administer, hence the current mish-mash we have now. The lone time-trial at least deserves testing, with draft-busting built in for the bike leg.It is perfectly reasonable to expect a stronger swim/biker to catch a slower one but to eliminate the caught athlete denies the spectators of the potential excitement of an athlete being run down or coming through - solely through their own efforts. Plus with 2 or so minute starting time gaps draft busting would be easier to adminster. Maybe in this day and age it's possible to come up with some electronic device attached to the athlete/bike which awards a time penalty if a caught racer maintains an illegal distance for a sustained amount of time? maybe gets sent to the 'pits' at the end of the bike, a little like formula one. Elite racing is just a foggy version of national team racing at the moment, and its plain to see. Anything has to be better than what we continually get served up at world cup races and world champs and olympics. It's not the athletes fault, they are just playing within the rules. Did any of them join the sport because they thought it was a team event? And of course, tougher courses, including rough sea swims now and again, quad busting hills and run course. Something to think about Les. Re: Thoughts on how triathlon should be run at the Games Posted by madPosted at 04:21:04 6th Sep 2010 Reply to this Don't mess with the standard race as this has implications well outside of olympic entertainment. The problem is the size of the bike pack and the one off nature of the event - get rid of this by introducing heats with smalled competitive groups. 24 triathletes = 3 heats of 8 with top 2 and 2 fasted going through to a final. It will also give more air time and engage the audience more as they will identify more with the triathletes. This works very well for other distance events. Re: Thoughts on how triathlon should be run at the Games Posted by trimanPosted at 04:21:04 6th Sep 2010 Reply to this For the record, I wrote to Henry on August 20th, almost straight after the Mens triathlon race. I said: Nothing to say from me about the GB team debacle. However, I generally though it was a boring watch. Although John won't want to hear it, how about a campaign to change the format of the triathlon at the Olympics, time to go to time trial format. http://triman.livejournal.com/186523.html fed-up with crap NBC coverage and the won't put anything on the Internet they are going to show on tv, until its been on tv and the stuff they do put on the next is highly selective and restricted. Of the 11-swim videos available only two are actually of competitions... Here is the relevant content of my blog post: Watched both the triathlons live, generally the mens race was more interesting than the womens as a couple of guys got out front on the bike and tried to make a race of it, plus [info]mojojoey's future boyfriend/superman, made a sprint at the end to win. However, for 4-hours of watching it was really dull as ditch water. Personally I think it would be better if they made it into an individual time trial. Each competitor does the whole triathlon alone, no drafting. Sure, it would take a bit longer, but they could start the swim in open water in 6-lanes, kinda like the rowing, then out on the bike they have to observe IM distance non-drafting rules, if they break them they get to put two feet down before a restart, and on the run it's a free for all, remembering that time is the important thing, not place, since you'll be racing people in other starts. Re: Thoughts on how triathlon should be run at the Games Posted by Tim WilliamsPosted at 04:21:04 6th Sep 2010 Reply to this I'm generally in favour of drafting over non-drafting and time trialling though I would like to see the Olympic triathlon programme extended to more races. I did think about a format for drafting races which encourages and rewards aggressive swimming and cycling. It retains the bunch start, head-to-head, first across the line principles but makes it more difficult to race defensively. I wrote it up here (in 2002): http://perfectcondition.ltd.uk/Articles/Here%20are%20a%20few%20ideas%20on%20how%20triathlon%20might.htm There is a second idea too, for a head-to-head non-drafting format. Tim. Re: Thoughts on how triathlon should be run at the Games Posted by trifunkPosted at 04:21:04 6th Sep 2010 Reply to this If any of these alternative formats are going to go anywhere I think they really need to simplify and not complicate. It's clear many of us think something needs to be done. How about taking some pointers from the old Iron Tour that used to take place in France in the early 90's? This was both a team and individual event and I think the Olympics should really be both for a sport like triathlon. Pro athletes usually need at most 2 weeks to recover from a hard Olympic distance tri. So therefore why not start the games with an individual time trial event (2 minute intervals). The bump and out options needs to go because it will discourage unequal strenghts (i.e. the slow swimmers will never get to their bikes!). That will tell us all who's the strongest triathletes at the games. Then towards the end of the games we have a 'team traithlon' over the same 1500,40,10 distance. Mass start with the teams time going to the 2nd athlete in the team of 3. That way the fastest runner has to do as much work as he can on the bike to protect the legs of the slowest runner in the team. Could make for some very interesting viewing and increase the medals on offer. I also think the WTC should be trying to get an Olympic Ironman into the games. Re: Thoughts on how triathlon should be run at the Games Posted by BluetedPosted at 04:21:04 6th Sep 2010 Reply to this I would like to see a penalty on the bike leg (policed by officials on motorcycles or at the side of the course) handing out time penalties for what might be described as 'pacivity' or drafting for those tagging along at the rear of any group of more than say, 5 athletes. If flagged, at the end of the next lap, the individual pulls into a 'pit lane' and waits his/her two minutes before continuing. Such a penalty could dramatically alter the course of the race, espcially if called late on. You would still have the drama of a bunch race for the TV but imagine Gomez watching someone get a two minute start on him halfway round the bike then he would either have to hope he could chase them down on the run or would have to launch an attack on the bike to get back in touch. The pacivity penalty would be at the discretion of the officials because an individual may be in a bunch but on the limit and unable to ride to the front in which case they would be required to move out of the slipstream of the group for a period of time such as thirty seconds and cannot draft for longer than say two minutes when they rejoin the group. |
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Where for example a super strong swimmer such as Andy Potts of the USA could be subbed into the highest ranked slot the US earn and his sole job will be to haul over as many of the top guys in front of him as possible to remove them from the rest of the race.
Similarly on the bike - I am sure it wouldn't happen but what if we were to place say a Julie Dibbens at the top of the womens order and simply ask her to ride down as many of the women in front of her on the bike to remove them from the run.
This format would simply lead to nations swapping out their later starters with uber swimmers and cyclists to try to remove as many of the competition before the run. Therefore rather than at least having some spectacle of seeing 30 athletes descend onto the run together we would simply have 12 - 15 athletes jogging around as the serious runners have all either gone off earlier and already sown up the race - or have been removed by the cyclists in the pack who caught them.
Obviously you could also have the problem of the cyclists knowing they wont win and simply pulling out after they ave dispatched as many of their competitors as possible.
I would suggest a different scenario whereby we make it more of a team event - so all three swimmers must swim with a rope holding them in a line attached to the back of the wetsuits
They then climb on board a three person tandem for the bike section
followed by a 10km run which must be completed with at least one of the three team members must be off the floor being carried piggy back by one of the other two at all times (This person can be changed as the team come through transition on each lap if they want to ) and whilst all three athletes are attached by said rope and must cross the line together
First team home wins
And if any race organisers out there read this - I want a share of the profits from any madcap races built on this format please
Thanks
Rob